Friday, January 6, 2012

I would like everyone to comment on this blog post by briefly answering the following questions:

What do you think about what Writing Analytically says about the 5 paragraph essay?

What do Ogborn and Buckroyd say about the importance of context? What do they say about 18th century satire?

21 comments:

  1. Context is important in satire because the circumstances that gave rise to the hypocrasy or vice that the satire comments on gives a deeper understanding. However because satire generally reflects on hypocracy or other issues in society, we can generally understand the point of the satire.

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  2. Writing Analytically said that the 5 paragraph essay was something that restricted a writer in his or her thoughts and arguments. The 5 paragraph essay should be a thing of the past for college students. Ogborn and Buckroyd said that context was very important because without knowing the time and place a writing was created, one cannot fully understand the satire within the document. Ogborn and Buckroyd said that the 18th century was a "Golden Age" for satirical writing.

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  3. Writing Analytically says that the 5 paragraph is too cliche and common among young writers. Teachers have been telling students to fit just about any topic into the common 5 paragraph essay. This form doesn't let students be creative or in-depth with their thinking. Five paragraph essays are boring to read and limit the writer. The five paragraph form is very limiting and doesn't let the writer analyze the topic as much as they should.
    Ogborn and Buckroyd say that the time period effects the content of the satire. They refer to how Shakespear's jokes that were originally may have been funny at the time, but now most of society might not understand or find the satire amusing. The 18th century was the golden age for satire and also known as the age of reason. Hobbes' and Locke's views on society were attempting to mend the public and point out flaws, like the whole idea of satire.

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  4. Writing Analytically was absolutely right in the fact that giving it up can be anxiety-producing. Writing throughout high school has always followed the 5-paragraph form. It will be a hard habit to break!

    The importance of the context depends on the time in which it was produced. Knowing the specific details of when the context was produced deepens the understanding of it.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd state that the 18th century was the "Golden Age" of satire. It is related to the division and disorder experienced during the time of the Civil War of the 1640's.

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  5. I found it interesting that "Writing Analytically" did not like the 5-paragraph essay. I have always found it to be helpful to keep your essay organized and to give you a starting point. I can also see how they feel that it limits you as you can find only three points and stop there. You do not need to take a more in depth look. Ogborn and Buckroyd said that context is important to understand why and how something is written. They used, for example, Shakespeare. We may not see humor in what he writes, but that can largely be attributed to the fact that we do not understand the social context in which he writes. They point out that satire in the 18th century was affected by the split in views during the Age of Reason. Thomas Hobbes and John Locke were cited as a driving force of the satirical movement during this time. They used the form of satire to point out the flaws in the government of the time and the people around them.

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  6. Hobbes and Locke both gave arguments for why a 'social contract' was needed in society. During the 18th century, satire became a effect way of showing how society fell short of Locke and Hobbes ideal human behavior.

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  7. I think that what Writing Analytically says about the 5 paragraph essay is true in nearly every sense. I think that the 5 paragraph essay should primarily be used as a stepping stone into writing and can not truly be a measure for a good paper. I think that 5 paragraph essays can be effective when writing a stiff paper, say one on the history of paper. However, it should not be used for more analytical or research based papers. When having to keep the writing so structered it does not allow for the thoughts and ideas to flow and often it can actually make the piece quite awkward.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd say that the context is important, of course, and they touch on how satire is different from other genres of writing with it's wit, sarcasm and so on. When they talk about 18th century sartire they refer to it as the Golden Age. Satire in the 18th century was almost like an outlet for the citizens to help deal with everything that was going in the background, like all the new ideas that were coming at them such as those of Locke and Hobbes.

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  8. What Writing Analytically says about the 5 paragraph essay is that although this format can make essays well organized it discourages writers from thinking in-depth and thus reduces the analysis writers would provide in essays.

    Because satire is used for social comment, in order words, to criticize things happended at that very moment, it is then important to know what happened at that time in order to have a better understanding about the content of satire. However, as satire often criticizes human behavior such as hypocrisy which exists in every historical period, readers today may still understand satire written in the past.

    18th century is the golden age of satire, and satirical writing was well developed during that period because of the disorder people experienced due to the Civil War.

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  9. Writing Analytically said the the 5 paragraph essay was limiting on what you could express and that it shouldn't be used be college students.
    Ogborn and Buckroyd said that context is important in order to know where the author is coming from, because if you know the background, you can better understand the content.
    The 18th century is said to be the "golden age" of satire.

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  10. I think that 5 paragraph essay is a little too simple and boring. While it certainly can accomplish getting a point accross, I feel it is a little too barebones, meaning that a lot of 5 paragraph essays have exactly the same format, just filled with different information.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd say that context is important for satire to be effective. If one knows the context of what is being satirized, then the situation can be more clearly understood and identify what or who exactly the satirist is talking about. If the context isn't understood, one can still understand the satire because the situation may still be present in society or at least understands the satire. Ogborn and Buckroyd said that the 18th century was the "golden Age" of satire with all of the hypocrisy in religion and politcs, with writers like Chaucer and Shakespeare commenting with saatire in this age. For example, The Canterbury Tales is filled with satire about many aspects of life during the 18th century.

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  11. Well I think that Writing Analytically is probably right about 5 paragraph essays being inhhibiting and restrictive because after all, it is a published book. The structured style does naturally prevent you from delving to deeply into the material because a 5 paragraph essay is set up like a math problem, with 1 particular right answer, whereas there really is no 1 right answer when it comes to analyzing texts.

    Well, Ogborn and Buckroyd say that context is important because satirists are generally remarking about the social conditions they live in, and without an understanding of the current events that are affecting the writers one will probably have a tough time understanding what the author is trying to point out.

    The 18th century was said to be the golden age of satire. It is also known as the Age of Reason, ironic considering satire is making its point by being completely unreasonable. They say that satire may have been born out of the disorder surrounding the civil war in 1640, and that it was used to point out the many societal flaws.

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  12. The 5 paragraph can clearly show the writer's point and make it easy for reader. And it also should be a good form for us college students.
    The context is playing an important role in satire. Knowing the details of what the writer produced is more helpful to the readers. It can help them to understand better the story. The 18th century was the golden age of satire writing.

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  13. What do you think about what Writing Analytically says about the 5 paragraph essay?

    First of all, as Writing Analytically said, the 5 paragraph form was suggested to most of students in high school and it is hard to avoid this form when we write any kinds of papers. However, I agree with the statement in Writing Analytically that the form sometimes discourage what we are thinking.

    What do Ogborn and Buckroyd say about the importance of context? What do they say about 18th century satire?

    Ogborn and Buckroyd said that one of the basic motivations for a satire is context. As they said, the purpose of the satirists is exposing human hypocrisy, vice and folly so readers can understand what the satirists try to say by getting the message from the context. Also, they said the 18th century is the ‘golden age’ of satirical writing by mentioning some writers such as Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.

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  14. I was surprised to hear that Writing Analytically encouraged students to do away with the 5 paragraph essay, because it had been something I had been used to since I began writing essays. I agree with the fact that an essay should not be limited because of the structure it has to follow. By not following a specific structure such as the 5 paragraph form, students can grow as independent thinkers and introduce new ideas into the topic of their paper that they may have previously been unable to do because of the limitations of the 5 paragraph form. Content of the paper should be valued much higher than the structure of the paper, and I believe that is the main message Writing Analytically is trying to convey.

    It is very important for a reader of satire to understand the importance of context in that writing. Understanding the historical background and setting is crucial in order to gain a true appreciation of a certain work of satire.Satirists based their work off of the happenings of their specific time period, which is why it may not be applicable to everyone. However, the goal of satire remains the same; and that is too point out hyprocrisy and promote change in society. The 18th Century was considered to be the golden age of satire for a few reasons. First, people were introduced to brand new philosophical ideas, namely, by Hobbes and Locke. Hobbes and Locke had differing views of society, and the intepretation of their well-supported ideas was left open to the imagination.

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  15. I think what Writing Analytically said about 5-paragraph essay is very useful and good for someone who just get started writing and not really good at organizing the ideas.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd said that context is important for the readers to understand the satires because people may not get the satire when they don't know the context of that satire.
    And with the different contexts, people can understand satires in different ways.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd also said satire is most developed in 18th century in prose style.

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  16. I strongly agreed with the book that the contents or the creativity of the essay would be limited if it was only restricted to 5 paragraph essay form. Other than like SAT writing essays which need to be in 5 paragraph form to get decent SCORES, I would prefer to try and write with other forms of writing methods and concepts rather than stick with 5 paragraph essays.

    They indicated that 18th century was a good time period of satires. Mentioning Hobbes and Locke, people's responses from the two different theories of Hobbes and Locke lead to good situation for satiric writings to appear.
    Also, ogborn and Buckroyd mentioned about the importance of time period, political and social backgrounds that can affect the styles or themes of the satire writings. The writings in 18th century would be more understandable for people who lived in that period than people in 2012. Therefore, I also think I can understand what the authors were trying to mention.

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  17. I think that "Writing Analytically" was spot on in its criticism of the five paragraph essay. I think that at this level, a five paragraph essay cannot truly capture an entire thought. Even in the later years of high school, five paragraphs was not sufficient.

    Context is important since the reader needs to have an understanding of what the writer is talking about (having background information). Ogborn and Buckyoyd said that 18th century satire was the "Golden Age of Satire." Also, they said this is where the most improvements of satire occured.

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  18. -I agree that the 5 paragraph essay for is quite rigid and can prohibit a more free-flowing paper. However, it does setup a very easy and organized style of writing and could perhaps be utilized for writing rough drafts. I believe it will be tough at first to move away from this style since I've been using it for so long, but I can see how it will eventually improve my writing.
    -Ogborn and Buckroyd explain how it is very important for a reader to understand the context of any writing. They use Shakespeare as an example, as his jokes wouldn't be considered funny in a present day setting. They go on to talk about the 18th century and how it was a golden age for satirical writing. The main focus is on how Hobbes and Locke use satire as a strong tool to bring attention to the misbehavior of those who are in power positions in the English civil war.

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  19. Writing Analytically tells us that the 5 paragraph method is useless. The method is too rigid and structured to allow one to think. It confines the writers ability to think outside the box. The 5 paragraph essay is more concerned with being organized than it is with content or length.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd explain that to understand satire you need to first understand the context in which it was written. Satire of the 1800's would be irrelevant today, however, one may have found it very compelling in its time. According to Ogborn and Buckroyd, 18th century satire was considered to be "The Golden Age" of satire. This era was the rebirth of satire; in which we see many changes and famous authors come forth such as Thomas Hobbes and john Locke.

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  20. I agree entirely on Writing Analytically's stance on the five paragraph essay. I think it is far too rigid and forces many weak essays, due to not allowing space for more content or requiring a person to "fluff" their essay when they have the ability to make their argument in less paragraphs. I've abandoned the five paragraph style myself and adapted a mentality of "I'll take however long it takes to make a strong argument."

    Ogborn and Buckroyd say that context is important when it comes to satire and I am inclined to agree with their reasoning. Their argument stems from the fact that cultures and conditions change, so one must understand the context in which it is written. Without the context, it has the potential to be completely nonsensical. An argument regarding population control centuries ago, for example, could easily be meaningless or seem superfluous now that our population has boomed and we face all kinds of new problems due to it.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd say that the 18th century is the "Golden Age" of satirical writing. Thanks to Hobbes and Locke's general viewpoints on the state of humanity through their works, satire became an important way to discuss and point out the flaws of human populations.

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  21. Writing Analytically says that the 5 paragraph format for writing an essay is weak because one should not have to have to follow a specific format in order to write a complete and compelling essay. In my own experiences, I have read and written excellent essays that did not follow the traditional 5 paragraph essay format. I believe that a person should not have to follow strict guidelines when writing an essay.

    Ogborn and Buckroyd say that it is crucial to understand the context of satire before completely understanding satirical pieces of work. They say that satire reached its peak, or "Golden Age" during the 18th century. Even though we wouldn't necessarily find satire of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes humorous today, it has influenced the work of present-day satirists.

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